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ED CONRAD vs. CHARLIE DARWIN -- "AYE, AYE, AYE"
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Bullshit Remover
2009-06-24 12:13:00 UTC
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As you all know, there's currently a heated debate
in talk.origins and other pseudoscience news groups
about what Charles Darwin really said about the evolution
of the eye.
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It's time this matter is cleared up -- simply and concisely
-- once and for all.
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Actually, I thought I had ended all the confusion back on Saturday,
May 11, 1996, when an evolutionistst named Michael Clark accused me of
misquoting Darwin. He had the balls to say I used only a portion
of Darwin's quote.
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Here's what I wrote:
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``To suppose that the eye (with so many parts all working
together) . . . could have been formed by natural selection seems, I
freely confess, absurd
n the highest degree."
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Here's what Charlie really said:

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light,
and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could
have been formed by natural
selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When
it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round,
the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old
saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be
trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from
a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to
exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the
case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited,
as is likewise certainly the case and if such variations should be
useful to any animal under changing
conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that
a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural
selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be
considered as subversive of the theory. How a nerve comes to be
sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself
originated; but I may remark that, as some of the lowest organisms, in
which nerves cannot be detected, are capable
of perceiving light, it does not seem impossible that certain
sensitive elements in their barcode should become aggregated and
developed into nerves, endowed >with this special sensibility."
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Charles Darwin, 1859, "Origin of Species"
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I thought I said what Darwin had said but David Iain Greig (moderator
of talk.origins ) said what I said wasn't what Darwin really had said
because he said Darwin had more to say than what I said he had
said, then Steve Vickers of the UK butts in and says HE knows what
Darwin really said, claiming what I said he had said wasn't what
Darwin really had said, so I said, 'Okay, I'll say what they say about
what Darwin really said, since I suppose that this is indeed what he
had said, even though I really don't know for sure if he had said it,
but this is what they say he had said."
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< Nice little song and dance, there, Zippy. Can you
< balance a ball on your nose? -- Michael Clark
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Up your's, Bumblebrain!
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Folks, please excuse the rude interruption!
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Actually, it really doesn't matter what Darwin had said
or what these fellas said he had said -- or what they say I said or
didn't say about what he said or didn't say -- since what I said,
whether Darwin said it or not, isn't something that really needed to
be said. Perhaps Darwin said what they say he had said because he felt
he had to say it -- he certainly was entitled to say what he wanted to
say. But by saying what they say he had said, he actually said more
than he needed to say, so maybe he didn't have to say what he said.
'Course, IF Darwin did say what these fellas said he had said, critics
could later say Charlie had nothing to say even though he had said
it.
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Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com
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< TAKE MEOW TO THE BALL GAME
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< Ed Conrad 14, Evolutionists 1

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This is what the average evolutionist's scrotum looked
like before the arrival of Ed Conrad and his mind-boggling discoveries
of petrified bones, teeth and even soft organs -- SOME HUMAN --
between coal veins.
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This is what the average evolutionist's scrotum look like now after Ed
Conrad proved that all living physical anthropologists and most
paleontologists are phonier
than a $4 bill -- and that man had inhabited the earth eons before
Charles Darwin's prepostrous theory put us here.
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GREAT BALLS OF FIRE
Ed's dead, you said!
I hope it's true!
It's time for celebration.
He's squeezed our balls
'Til black and blue
And I've run out of medication.
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CRIME IN RHYME
The pseudos, their interests so vested
And Poor Truth, for too long molested.
Their deceit and deception
Near the point of perfection
If it were my call, they'd ALL be arrested
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HUMAN REMAINS BETWEEN COAL VEINS
CONFIRMS EVOLUTION IS A DEAD HORSE
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< WHERE THESE BEAUTIES WERE FOUND
(Information Classified. Don't Tell a Soul.)
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Here's a map showing a spectacular cross-section of coal veins beneath
Mahanoy City, Pa. It reveals the impact of an asteroid, meteor or
comet having struck the earth and offering the uundeniable physical
evidence of a catastrophe.
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Some of the URLs below showing the result of the impact can be
enlarged by clicking on them.
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< THE ANATOMY OF A CATACLYSM
< "Oh, the Humanity"
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http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=22&f=1472383101&p=61
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http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=22&f=1472392315&p=62
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http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=22&f=1472383097&p=63
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< OLDEST HUMAN SKULL EVER FOUND
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Wilton M. Krogman, one of the world's foremost experts on human
anatomy, holds what he had identified as a petrified human calvarium,
a skull
with the eye sockets broken off, that was discovered between coal
veins.
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Krogman is shown at his desk at the world-famous Cooper Clinic in
Lancaster, Pa., where moments later he beckoned a colleague -- a
medical doctor -- to examine what he told him was "the oldest human
skull ever found."
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A CATscan was performed on this specimen with
favorable results.
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Meanwhile, Haversian canals were identified in the
cell structure, the tell-tale sign of bone. And dried
blood was found on the specimen during testing at
American Medical Laboratories in Chantilly, Va.
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This is the official report from AML which had
performed Calculus Analysis by Crystallography.
The final report, dated April 21, 2000, was issued
by Dr. Nathan Sherman, director of laboratories.
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"The specimen consists of 1 irregularly
shaped, brown calculus weighing less
than 0.0010 grams and measuring 1X1X0.5
mm. No nidus is observed. The calculi
indicates a composition of dried blood
intermingled with a few small crystals
resembling calcium oxalate dihydrate."
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< SEM COMPARISON OF SPECIMEN THAT
< TOP ANATOMIST IDENTIFIED AS A TIBIA
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http://www.edconrad.com/pics/newtibia.jpg
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Scanning Electron Microscopy of internal surface of the fossil that
world renowned human anatomist Wilton Krogman identifiedas a tibia.
Both photos were taken at 2,000X.
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This is the specimen that Paul PZ Myers, then of TempleU. and now a
disgrace to the University of Minnesota, long with Andrew MacRae, then
of the University of algary, had "tested."
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MacRae had been entrusted with a specimen that Krogmanidentified as a
tibia, then -- in cahoots with Myers -- hadfraudulently "prepared" a
ground section from a rock or oncretion and displayed the internal
structure on MacRae's Web page.
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It was a rather enterprising but unfortunately feeble effort to
conceal the presence of Haversian canals that exist in the genuine
specimen. The Haversian canals confirm it indeed is B-O-N-E and prove
beyond all reasonable doubt that Myers and MacRaeAre an insult and a
disgrace to every honest, courageous truth-seeking scientist who ever
lived (especially Copernicus,Galileo, Kepler. Immanuel Velikovsky,
Lin Liangtai and Ed Conrad).
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LIN LIANGTAI SHOWING WHAT
HONEST SCIENCE IS ALL ABOUT
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Lin Liangtai of Taipei, Taiwan, proably like you, read the newsgroups
about Ed Conrad's claim of having discovered human remains between
coal veins.
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Lin had contacted me via email, explaining that -- based on the photos
-- he believes I might be right
and volunteered to assist in my research by providing
financial support for state-of-the-art testing if I would send him a
specimen or two. I obliged and now I'm delighted I did.
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He already has spent nearly $50,000 to have all sorts of scientific
testing done on the fossils, especially the petrified human remains
such as the calvarium, femur, brain, toe, etc./ The test results and
his research have confirmed that I am absolutely right
and members of the Scientific Establishment are DEAD WRONG about
evolution..
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RESEARCH ON PETRIFIED HUMAN CALVARIUM
AND FEMUR DONE BY LIN LIANGTAI OF TAIWAN
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PETRIFIED HUMAN CALVARIUM
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CALVARIUM REPORT by Lin Liangtai of Taiwan
http://groups.google.com/group/idfossil/web/new-calvarium-article?hl=en
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PETRIFIED HUMAN FEMUR
http://www.edconrad.com/FOSSILS08/HumanFemur.jpg
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FEMUR REPORT by Lin Liangtai of Taiwan
http://groups.google.com/group/idfossil/web/femur-article?hl=en
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HUMAN TOE (a very costly test done in Alberta, Canada).)
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Here is a CT video of the Carboniferous human toe (discovered by Ed
Conrad between coal veins) that disproves the theory of Evolution).
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http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=22&f=1472406809&p=61
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Lin Liangtai's Web Page
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lin440315
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DEATH DOES NOT EXIST
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Ed Conrad (rear) and his wolf named Blue.
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Ed Conrad's e-mail address:
edcon... @edconrad.com
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(No explosives inside your attachments, PLEASE)
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Ed Conrad
http://ww.edconrad.com
Man as Old as Coal
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BREAKING NEWS
Ed Conrad being sued for slander by the following...
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American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of Physical Anthropology
Acoustical Society of America
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Geological Society of America
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Sigma Xi, The Scientific Research Society
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Soil Science Society of America
Speech Communication Association
Volunteers in Technical Assistance (VITA)
The Wildlife Conservation Society
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Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia
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Albany Museum, Rhodes University, Grahamston, South Africa
The Raymond M. Alf Museum of Paleontology, Claremont, Calif
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California
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Earle Jones
2009-06-26 03:37:30 UTC
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Post by Bullshit Remover
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As you all know, there's currently a heated debate
in talk.origins and other pseudoscience news groups
about what Charles Darwin really said about the evolution
of the eye.
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Remover: Between you and Ed Conrad, the truth gets lost:

People who want to argue against evolution frequently quote Darwin as
follows:

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
different amounts of light,and for the correction of spherical and
chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection,
seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

[NOTE] The above is usually where creationist quote miner will end
the quote. But let's read on:

"When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned
round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but
the old saying of vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows,
cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous
gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect
can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is
certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations
be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such
variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of
life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye
could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our
imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory.
How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more
than how life itself originated; but I may remark that, as some of the
lowest organisms, in which nerves cannot be detected, are capable of
perceiving light, it does not seem impossible that certain sensitive
elements in their sarcode should become aggregated and developed into
nerves, endowed with this special sensibility."

--Charles Darwin, "The Origin of Species" (1859)

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